Another Perpetual Motion FAIL

I was at the pub the other day with my childhood friend Bernard and a more recent friend Sanjay. Dave came over to join our conversation.

He insisted that he could make a perpetual motion machine out of magnets. Myself and Sanjay agreed to pay him 100 bucks (plus parts) if he could make a machine that worked. After the agreement was made I mentioned that I actually had some rare earth magnets on hand. Dave said he would add me in facebook to get in contact to get the magnets if he needed them for his project.

There are lots of people out there talking up energy conspiracy theory. Some are scammers who’ll sell you stuff and some actually believe it.

Why do they still believe it? Because they don’t test their ideas against reality by actually making what they are talking about. They just keep talking about it.

In this case it is especially easy to make as Dave said any twelve year old could make the machine and also that almost everybody knows about this machine and how well it works. So I thought it would be constructive if Dave would make the machine and perhaps learn a bit about physics and engineering surrounding these claims.

Dave never contacted me. I ran into him at the bar again and he never brought it up. So I followed up online earlier today (see below).

It’s pretty clear from the conversation that he’s not going to do it but just keep talking about it.

If you could run your car on talking I think we’d be on to something.

I think this needs to be addressed because this line of thinking doesn’t result in any action. Perhaps some day Dave will make the magnet machine and start to learn about the realities of energy.

Nov 11, 2011 Update: Because Dave didn’t make the machine, I made one as he described. When I asked him how many magnets he would use, he said about 15. So my machine was based on 16 rare earth magnets. Can you guess if the machine worked or not? You can check out this Magnet Machine at my Art Blog.

Darcy Whyte: did you work out the details of that machine yet?

David Cardill:

David Cardill: Arc light, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, 400 years of operation (some of our light houses have been there, and done that) no power cord, no fuel supply, you figure it out.

Darcy Whyte: I’m talking about the perpetual machine that you were going to make. Modern lighthouses are solar or oil.
remember the one you were talking about with magnets?

David Cardill: …. and with the stroke of a pen, (a key pad in this case) you erase 400 years of history. “Modern lighthouses are solar or oil”

That’s nice Darcy, but what about the first 400 years they were in use?

Speaking of use, I have little for those who only serve to erase our actual glorious history.

And, I don’t have any magnets. You do.

Darcy Whyte: they used kerosene (which his oil) in the past. Show me one that’s running without an energy source.

Yes, I have some magnets I had to order more because I was short.

Have you done anything at your end? Do you have drawings? A plan?

David Cardill: Fuel oil has never been used in a lighthouse. It always was, and always will be, too weak to function in this form.

Darcy Whyte: show me an example of a lighthouse that uses something other than fuel or electricity so it sounds like the perpetual magnet machine was just talk as there is no evidence of any plan or drawing

David Cardill: Darcy, what is the first picture above? And, all lighthouses use electricity.

Darcy Whyte: That is a picture of Tillamook light house which used an oil vapor system and fresnel lens. It was later converted to diesel generator. So it was oil, then converted to diesel electric before it went out of business many of the other lighthouses in the same area used kerosene and acetylene gas so there’s still no example of a light house that doesn’t need fuel or electricity

Darcy Whyte: and of course no progress on your perpetual magnet motor
nothing runs on hot air, you have to actually do it

Darcy Whyte: you should post this link under the lighthouse picture: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tillamook_Rock_Light

David Cardill: When was the first lighthouse built?
And, what, is a dynamo?

Darcy Whyte: lighthouses always use a source of fuel or energy. The new ones and the old ones. Clearly you can’t show one that doesn’t as the one you showed was a typical oil that was eventually converted to diesel.

David Cardill: When was the first lighthouse built?

Darcy Whyte: A dynamo is just a generator. It converts mechanical energy into electricity. Unless you turn it with a physical source of energy it stops.

David Cardill: No, it does not, not if you mount your magnets in the correct position.

Darcy Whyte: I don’t know I’m sure you’ll find that on the internet. But you’ll find that it used a fuel source. I suppose you could say that a mirror is a lighthouse as well.
but a mirror is solar powered

Darcy Whyte: well give me a diagram of the positions or make a device and then I’ll believe you
no machine runs on talk

Darcy Whyte: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lighthouse
you can read up on lighthouses here

Darcy Whyte: They have section on what they use for energy
whale oil kerosene and so forth

Darcy Whyte: and eventually acetylene
but no perpetual power, free energy, or any of that other conspiracy nonsense

David Cardill: Look, if you do not want to find the escape hatch from the fabricated world of the fossil boys, don’t ask me where it is.

You’re supposed to bring magnets to the bar, and I’ll get them spinning, because, basic arithmetic is eluding you now.

Darcy Whyte: You’ve failed to show me a lighthouse that uses anything other than the traditional sources of energy. It doesn’t exist, that’s why you can’t point to it.

You said you were going to contact me for the magnets. But you didn’t. That’s how I know you are unable to make such a machine.

Recall the conversation where you said you’d contact me by adding in facebook, then you would make the machine and get the magnets from me. And I was going to pay you 100 bucks if it works. Plus parts.

David Cardill: Bring them to the bar. Bar magnets, get it?

Darcy Whyte: hahah
but here’s the thing

Darcy Whyte: I don’t want to pay for parts unless it works. I’m not convinced you’ll get around to it
so I’ll give them to you for what I paid for them and then when you have a working machine I’ll pay you back for them plus an extra 100 bucks.

Darcy Whyte: Or if you give me a sketch, I can have it done on my cnc mill with a precision bearing They’re not bar magnets, they’re rare earth magnets they are much stronger
they are so strong you can get injured because they can crush you when they go together.

David Cardill: do they have north and south poles? Are the monolithic in shape?

Darcy Whyte: all magnets have a north and south pole
they are disk shaped as are most rare earth magnets

David Cardill: so, they’re like speaker magnets? to make a dynamo, we need magnets in the shape of a bar, like the pictured dynamo above.

Darcy Whyte: you’ll need to get some different magnets than mine are shaped like disks. But of course you don’t understand that they’re equivalent

David Cardill: equivalent? no, how can they possibly work in the configuration above???
that sketch of a dynamo is the required shape

Darcy Whyte: well you’ll need to get around to finding some magnets then as apparently (according to you) mine wont work but we both know you wont get around to it between being lasy and the fact that it wont work

David Cardill: can they be mounted as the bar magnets in the above illustration depict?

Darcy Whyte: any magnet is a magnet if it would work, someone would have done it by now

David Cardill: You are correct. I call it the most invented invention of them all.
People keep inventing them, while the oil boys keep destroying them …

Darcy Whyte: but none of them work there isn’t even anything in youtube that works expecially nothing at atomic rooster

Darcy Whyte: there wasn’t one there the last time I checked.

David Cardill: ok, you do fully understand that this, when accepted by the general population, will render oil useless, correct?

Darcy Whyte: it doesn’t work, there’s nothing to understand
you can’t do it, nobody had done it, it’s just talk

David Cardill: GOD man GOD (guns oil drugs, or gold oil death) in either case the O stands for OIL
oil is the O in GOD no matter how we interpret it …

Darcy Whyte: now you’re just talking nonsense. There is only one thing to do and that’s prove it. And it’s pretty clear you can’t.

David Cardill: no, I could do it with one eye tied behind my back, and drunk!

Darcy Whyte: If you could prove it you would have gotten in touch with me or would have gotten some magnets and mounted them on a system and proved it.

action speakes louder than words and you’re only giving words

Darcy Whyte: more talk
saying and doing are not the same

David Cardill: no, they’re not.
Bar magnets. This configuration requires bar magnets.

Darcy Whyte: but apparently you don’t know where to get them and there fore will never bother to prove and will just keep talking forever

Darcy Whyte: Magnets on Ebay

David Cardill: Darcy, I already know this works, and, works well. You are the one who needs something here, not I.

Darcy Whyte: you are talking nonsense. There is no such working machine and you can’t prove it. I’ve already spent the bulk of my childhood playing with magnets, mechanical and electrical things. I already know what works and doesn’t work. I’m calling your bluff if it can work prove it.

Darcy Whyte: it only works in your head
but that’s not enough

Darcy Whyte: I’ll pass a copy of this conversation on to the others who were there when you made you’re promise so they will know you’re not going to come through on it.

David Cardill: … you said you had bar magnets!
which I insisted at the time were necessary

Darcy Whyte: no I said I had rare earth magnets. Don’t forget that one of my friends was filming with a camera so you can’t change the story. You can get magnets if you are going to deliver on your promise

David Cardill: and, you went beyond that and said they were stronger than ‘normal’ bar magnets

Darcy Whyte: I suppose bar magnets dont’ exist
because you didn’t get any and come through on your promise
I’ll just copy the conversation from here and either post it in my energy blog as another perpetual motion fail and will send it over to the others that were there when you made your promise

David Cardill: I even described the circle within a circle to you at the time, like, the picture above.

I’m sorry if you don’t understand the difference between a speaker magnet and a bar magnet … I thought you did …

Darcy Whyte: it will not work with either shape of magnet. Okay I’ve got this conversation recorded and will send it on to the others.

You don’t mind if I post it in my energy blog do you?

David Cardill: Sure, as long as you don’t edit it first …
A circle can’t fit where a square should be …
Dude, what ever made you think a speaker magnet and a bar magnet were one in the same?

Darcy Whyte:
I’m just posting the conversation in the blog. (you can buy whaterver magnets you need)

David Cardill: … so, can I read it?

Darcy Whyte: yes, it’s posted at http://incandescent.ca/

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